This is what tells me that its likely not Pianoteq's modeling, but the absence of a proper EQ. What's surprising to me is that I was able to take it the OTHER WAY. You can download a demo for Grand EQ or Crave EQ and turn off Pianoteq EQ, and set a roll off at 15k or 10k or wherever. Otherwise, whatever it is that I don't like isn't smoothly rolled off to my ears. What I do know is that I try to roll it off with EQ, THAT's got to factor in the logic that makes EQ'ing transparent. It could just be personal taste, but my sense is that in a natural room there's going to be a decrease in upper end harmonics, which Pianoteq may rely on EQ for. ![]() Pianoteq algos are no doubt complicated, but I don't know why the direct (non-EQ'd) bright models wouldn't sound as pleasing and naturally to me as I think they should. Oversampling should not be needed, and it SHOULD sound good if the modeling is good - so long as phase and amplitude are not distorted by EQ'ing.įoldback aliasing or reflected aliasing, resulting from limited sample rates and imperfect high cut filtering, should not be a factor, whereas it is in the Axe FX, with its non-linear audio processing performed in virtual tube simulations and the like. On the other hand, Pianoteq should mostly involve linear steps. EQ's should just be able to work like analog EQ's. The 44.1kHz digital and inside-the-box versions sounded okay, but not as good as the Korg’s." The 1-bit “analog” version sounded warmer, more transparent and clear, plus apparently slightly louder. Logic tells me that extra D/A and A/D conversions should be detrimental to sound quality in this case, they were not. You can lower the bit depth, and increase the sample rate.Ī good thought experiment to take is to learn about Korg's 1-bit thing, that samples at 5.6 MHz. I processed a synth that had a lot of square waves, and it destroyed the sound using the basic setting. But sample rates and bit depth both come into play. I don't know how this relates to Pianoteq's algos. The way I heard it explained is that a Digital to Analog step involves filtering the upper material so it doesn't "fold back" harmonically and create tones that were not in the source. The Steinway models are the ones in Pianoteq that I've found sound "least organic" in the high range, but that's likely just because there's more there in those frequencies.Īccurate audio processing at different sample rates involves a choice of what happens at the upper end. ![]() ![]() For the sake of example, something like NOIRE is the picture of warm tonal use for me, and something like Spitfire Hans Zimmer Piano is an example of a sampled bright piano - and I think Modartt, much like Fractal Audio, would have found it the most challenging to model the higher frequency responses where the most rapid oscillations happen. Are VSL pianos (in standard versions) going to disappoint me on this score?Ĭlick to expand.Actually yes, the Steinways were the inspiration for my search more so than the other models, which have modeling settings that already sit pretty comfortably. This slightly puzzles me- surely anyone wanting to produce a serious solo piano recording in a hall won't be using a sampled piano in the first place? There must be a large market of amateur piano lovers who just want an as close as possible experience of a fine piano they can play in their home (with an appropriate acoustic). VSL seems focussed on creating the illusion of a concert grand in a hall, requiring many mics. But I'm wondering do only the full libraries really outshine the competition? Also, what I really want is just the intimate experience of playing a lovely piano in my living room. ![]() I am now considering buying a standard VSL library (I still balk at the price of the full libraries). I've not joined that party till now for reasons of their expense and size. It's become evident that VSL is generally the most admired sampled piano company. Like most people here I have a ton of piano plugins, am very sensitive in playing to each offering's unique combination of strengths and weaknesses.
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